wheel hop

cwdavis · Post by **cwdavis** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 8:06 am

Has anybody had any problems with wheel hop? Is there a mod that works well to get rid of it? (I really dont belive not using the gas pedal is an option) My 2wd s-10 had the exta shock and never had a problem. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Clinton

AZS10Crew · Post by **AZS10Crew** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 8:59 am

I think someone had mentioned here once that those "helper springs" reduced wheelhop, but I'm not 100% sure. You might look into those.

Conman · Post by **Conman** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 9:07 am

Yeah, the crew does seem to hop very easy. I brought the subject up a little while ago. The 3rd shock will help, but I think it will hurt off-roading since it will limit flex on that side. But if you don't wheel, then it should be fine. I was looking at the helper springs but they don't state it helps or not. The only other thing that said will help is the ladder bars but I have not found any that appear to be bolt on that don't hang down to much. Superlift has a set for GMs that don't hang down to much but not sure if it will work on the s10.

Let us know if you find a solution.

Cheers,

Con

quickbiker · Post by **quickbiker** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 4:03 pm

That's cause the rear shocks are mounted on the same side of the rear axle. There are different ways to remedy that. Track bars, and another I can't remember. I don't seem to really have any probs though. I think I automatically avoid it somehow.

a2b · Post by **a2b** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:01 pm

ya, check out s10planet.com for the 3rd shock modification. do it and it will help wheel hop

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 6:08 pm

A couple of things came to mind this time around this subject.

Tires can make a difference. I had an old set of TA's that hopped terribly. When I went to the Dunlop's that all stopped.

Another is balance. When I first put the HenryJ on street tires I had a problem it turned out to be a poorly balanced tire. Once correctly balanced the hop went away.

These are just a couple things to think about.

The third shock setup was the factory answer to dampening the spring wrap.

Most drag cars run the shocks same side and don't have problems (mine included)

Maybe a decent pair of shocks would help, probably need them anyway.

Conman · Post by **Conman** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 8:05 pm

HenryJ wrote:A couple of things came to mind this time around this subject.

Tires can make a difference. I had an old set of TA's that hopped terribly. When I went to the Dunlop's that all stopped.

Another is balance. When I first put the HenryJ on street tires I had a problem it turned out to be a poorly balanced tire. Once correctly balanced the hop went away.

These are just a couple things to think about.

The third shock setup was the factory answer to dampening the spring wrap.

Most drag cars run the shocks same side and don't have problems (mine included)

Maybe a decent pair of shocks would help, probably need them anyway.

Straight line, I don't have wheel hop. When I turn and gun it, wheel hop galore.

Cheers,

Con

Conman · Post by **Conman** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 8:06 pm

quickbiker wrote:That's cause the rear shocks are mounted on the same side of the rear axle. There are different ways to remedy that. Track bars, and another I can't remember. I don't seem to really have any probs though. I think I automatically avoid it somehow.

I heard spring over axle reduces wheel hop so that's why you don't have any wheel hop! Advantage TrailMaster!

Cheers,

Con

Conman · Post by **Conman** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 8:23 pm

Hellwig offers a rear sway bar for us:

http://www.hellwigproducts.com/antisway ... x4_gm.html

I just saw a mag Article that they have a new product called Hellwig Spring Stabilizers that says to reduce spring wrap. Looks similar to their helper springs.

Cheers,

Con

quickbiker · Post by **quickbiker** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 8:45 pm

Conman wrote:Hellwig offers a rear sway bar for us:

http://www.hellwigproducts.com/antisway ... x4_gm.html

I just saw a mag Article that they have a new product called Hellwig Spring Stabilizers that says to reduce spring wrap. Looks similar to their helper springs.

Cheers,

Con

Wonder if that would work if lifted?

Conman · Post by **Conman** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:32 pm

When I was installing the wheel spacer, I see my axle did not have the 3rd Shock mount like in the pics on the 2wd trucks. So if someone can verify on their Crew if you have the mount, that would be great. If the 2001s have it, they might have stopped putting the mount on the 2002+.

Cheers,

Con

cwdavis · Post by **cwdavis** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 3:35 pm

i have an 03 it does not have the mount on the diff. It bummed me out I was going to to the mod but dont want to weld on the diif housing cd

a2b · Post by **a2b** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 6:51 pm

just weld the bracket to the axel housing and mount it to the frame. no biggy. or mabey even modify the bracket and flip the the passenger shock foward. that might fix it as well

Conman · Post by **Conman** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 7:00 pm

a2b wrote:just weld the bracket to the axel housing and mount it to the frame. no biggy. or mabey even modify the bracket and flip the the passenger shock foward. that might fix it as well

Kind of defeats the purpose of "bolt-on"

With that much work to weld the bracket, other solutions become more viable.

I'm considering the Heliwig as I think this will help and since I carry my Dirtbike, less sagging when loaded. But as someone said here, the bracket and bolts will hand lower so it will be a off-road hazard for damage. catch 22.

Cheers,

Con

green02crew · Post by **green02crew** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:52 pm

Sorry, I know this is a really old post but I had wheel hop really bad every time I took off from a dead stop I would get it. I couldn't find a real solution on this site so I experimented and wanted to share. An easy way that I found to get rid of wheel hop was helper springs from VIP auto 30$ a pair the kind that go on top of the leaf springs. 1 set in front and 1 behind the axle. I also got new shocks just cheap Gabriel Ultras and the problem is gone! Little stiffer ride but what the heck its a truck it should ride like one!

Conman · Post by **Conman** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:31 pm

Wow really old post as I don't even own the Crew anymore. I got an email stating there was a reply to this thread. Glad the fix worked.

Con

quickbiker · Post by **quickbiker** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:38 pm

Haha, I got a got an email on the post also. I've been so busy, I haven't been spending any time on the forums. But I do still have my Crewcab. It's right where I like it. The leaf over axle and a small added leaf to the pack fixed my probs.

crew cab sonoma · Post by **crew cab sonoma** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:08 am

leafspring clamps work great on the street. not sure what effect they would have on offroading if left on while doing that...

here`s a link from a thread i made on s10 forum about them.
pics. in post #40...

http://www.s10forum.com/forum/f178/cure ... -a-274311/

Rockrz · Post by **Rockrz** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:26 am

Conman wrote:The 3rd shock will help...

Is this something that can be purchased aftermarket?

Or, would it be better to go to the dealer and get one?

Conman · Post by **Conman** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:37 am

You got a picture of what these look like? Sounds like a great cheap fix.

Con

Post by **HenryJ** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:13 am

It would be a dealer item, if you can still find it. Lots of hunting in the salvage yards might find one too.
It is a torsional dampener assembly:

Slang: Hop shock, Z85 shock, or third shock.

15998553 Dampner (Shock) (1)
15997356 Axle bracket (1)
15697709 Axle clamp (1) 15152683 Axle U-bolt (1)
11514598 Nut (2) for U-bolt
15988458 bolt (1) through shock eye
11516073 Nut (1) for above bolt
15672933 Nut (1) for stud through shock eye
15981396 Washer (1) for above nut
15996718 Frame bracket (1)
11516328 Bolt (4) bracket to frame
15672911 Nut (4) for above nuts

Conman · Post by **Conman** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:23 am

Sorry. I should have stated does anyone have a picture of the spring clamp.

Good picture of the 3rd shock as I have not seen a picture in a while.

Cheers,
Con

Rockrz · Post by **Rockrz** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:37 am

Anyone happen to have a pic of that third shock installed, so we can see exactly how it bolts up?

And, did these come on both sides?

Rockrz · Post by **Rockrz** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:54 pm

Rockrz wrote:Anyone happen to have a pic of that third shock installed, so we can see exactly how it bolts up?

And, did these come on both sides?

Anybody?

Post by **HenryJ** » Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:04 pm

Rockrz wrote:...did these come on both sides?

Just the right side.
Other forums may be a better place to look for a photo of one installed. These did not come on crew cabs, or 4x4 s-series as far as I know.

04crewvt · Post by **04crewvt** » Wed Dec 26, 2007 5:17 pm

Before I added my RoadMaster Suspension I had clamped the spring pack to keep the wheel hop down. I had some extra bolts and metal brackets from a different helper spring installation. I just used two 3"x1"x1/2" brackets with grade 5 bolts and washers and clamped the leaf pack in front of the spring perch about 3 inches forward.