Trivia, military vehicle and arms

Maximous · Post by **Maximous** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:03 am

Split this topic since it was developing a life of it's own -HJ

any guess's as to who this is, anybody, I'll give you a hint, he's

an old man and can't figure out how to add my photo

ok times up, hello there Reed Wetter(F9K9)

see even now the Air Force is here to help the Marines, man, where would you guys be without us

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 5:46 pm

Trivia question..........

Who made the 4X4 who's hood I was sitting on in '69? Am now wondering who drove the first US front wheel drive while waiting on parts for the rear end?

adrenalnjunky · Post by **adrenalnjunky** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:10 pm

f9k9 wrote:Trivia question..........

Who made the 4X4 who's hood I was sitting on in '69? Am now wondering who drove the first US front wheel drive while waiting on parts for the rear end?

I wanna say the Willis were actually manufacured by Ford for the military?

adrenalnjunky · Post by **adrenalnjunky** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:18 pm

Aha--my store of useless knowledge is vindicated - The M151-A1 (The -A2 looks more like a CJ3 to me) designation of the M.U.T.T program - -- Google found me this:

Under the Military Utility Tactical Truck Project (MUTT), M151 series of U.S. Military vehicle was designed to replace the WWII MB and GPW, as well as the M38 and M38A1s. A development contract was awarded to Ford Motor Company in 1951 and after various designs were evaluated, army's Ordinance Truck Automotive Command approved the all-steel, integral chassis/body unit, with all-wheel independent suspension, 24-volt waterproofed electrical system, two/four wheel drive, and a four-speed, single transfer transmission. Ford manufactured the first production unit in 1960, with later contract being placed with the AM General Corporation. The M151 became known as a most reliable vehicle suitable for multiple roles and applications. The original design of the M151 had some problems, such as the strength of the rear suspension system, and the high risk of vehicle rollover, To accommodate the need to carry additional weapons and loads, heavier-duty rear suspension was incorporated to the M151, which resulted in the M151A1. The M151A1 was modified as a recoilless rifle launcher, installing the M79 rifle mount and provisions for mounting of 6 rounds of ammunition. This was designated M151A1C and it was produced between 1964 by Rock Island Arsenal. The rollover issue was addressed in further redesign of the suspension systems, which became the M151A2.

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:21 pm

Don't know if there is an actual connection between the original willys and the contract ford produced vehicle. However, you correctly identified the 1/4 ton 4x4. None were ever sold intact to the public (they were torched in half) due to rollover concerns but, I still have a healthy respect for their reliability. You win a free steak dinner whenever you can meet within 80 miles of London, KY

adrenalnjunky · Post by **adrenalnjunky** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 7:14 pm

wow -- 8 hours to Atlanta from Monroe, then about 3 hours north huh?

I'll still do my darndest to get there--me loves steaks!

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:50 pm

A conservative 6 additional hrs from Atlanta but, maybe 4 to Knoxville which is within the 80 mile range. I really worded the front wheel drive question poorly. I did have a couple of miles under my belt with the rear drive shaft removed from the 151 awaiting parts during my short stint "in the rear, with the gear". I was blessed with the "easy" duty time because the powers to be had screwed up and allowed the only 2 male sons into a combat zone at the same time and my brother was in the process or rotating home. I lost my easy time after less than 2 wks when he left country.

"installing the M79 rifle mount and provisions for mounting of 6 rounds of ammunition. This was designated M151A1C and it was produced between 1964 by Rock Island Arsenal"

That's a new one on me. The M79 was a shoulder fired grenade launcher that is now incorporated below the rifle barrel of the M16 type rifle barrel, I believe the combination is now called the M4 and maybe "maximus" can clear that up. They did have belt fed hand cranked grenade launchers that could have been mounted in the manner described.

Maximous · Post by **Maximous** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:15 am

That's a new one on me. The M79 was a shoulder fired grenade launcher that is now incorporated below the rifle barrel of the M16 type rifle barrel, I believe the combination is now called the M4 and maybe "maximus" can clear that up. They did have belt fed hand cranked grenade launchers that could have been mounted in the manner described.

huh, what, oh sorry i was sleeping, GUNS,

Dear Lord Hillary, the offroaders are talking about assult weapons again What do we do???

ok anyways, the M79 is a shoulder fired, break barrel(like a shot gun) single shot grenade launcher

not a good weapon to mount, or carry for that matter, these lead the pack, imagine walking thru the jungle and having charlie pop-up in front off you, instict says pull the trigger, make him die, HE round (highly explosive) is not a good round to fire with close distances, think about it

the M-4, is much like the M-16, same 5.56ammo, same magazines, only shorter with a flat top and collapsable butt stock for CQB (close quaters battle) the M-4 was slated to replace the M-16, but now the Maarines are crying again for new guns, the M203 is what is now used to fire the 40mm grenades, it attackes to the bottom of the barrel on either a M-16 or a M-4

M-4

M-4 w/M-203

M-16

the belt fed monster you speak of is the Mk-19(mark-19)

in a perfect world if you pulled the trigger and left it pulled, this gun would put in the nieghbor hood of 375 rounds down the bad guys throat, all the way out to 2200meters, who wants one on the crew cab?

oh yeah it also fires the 40mm rounds as does the M-203, as did the M-79, these are all very impressive weapons belonging to and at the disposal of the US military, but no where near the coolest, i mean to tell you the list goes on forever, the F-15,-16,-18,-22,-118 stealth fighter, we have planes that work of video game controls, its amazing we all we have, this is my personal favorite, in F9K9's day these where called "Puff the Magic Dragon"

now those are big guns

malkavian · Post by **malkavian** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:21 am

ac-130's I crewed them use to love to go out to the gun range on them. Also crewed hc-130p and n models and the mc-130 talons . Damn I miss the Air Force. I can still recognize the sound of a herc before I even see it in the sky.

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 6:24 pm

Maximous wrote:
ok anyways, the M79 is a shoulder fired, break barrel(like a shot gun) single shot grenade launcher

not a good weapon to mount, or carry for that matter, these lead the pack, imagine walking thru the jungle and having charlie pop-up in front off you, instict says pull the trigger, make him die, HE round (highly explosive) is not a good round to fire with close distances, think about it

The HE rounds of the period wouldn't arm themselves until they traveled a certain distance or made, so many revolutions. Danger was minimized in that manner. Most of the grunts who carried them on patrol had many different types of rounds to choose from but, the one of choice was called a flechette(SP?) round. It was full of tiny metal darts that was very effective.

Am sorry if I lead this topic astray!