The exhaust question again?

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:45 am

Finally got my replacement bed painted and installed on my truck, when I took the old one off I noticed my muffler after 250k has finally seen better days. With the truck running you can hear it leaking and see it dripping moisture during idle. I would like to just purchase a whole cat-back system and I really dont know much about exhaust. Not looking for anything loud or fancy. Dual outputs or just a single standard output is fine. Question is does anyone make something decent that I can just bolt on? A nice tone when idle or when I get on the gas is fine but I prefer to hear my stereo when cruising down the highway at 70 and not my exhaust.

Whats everyones thoughts/experience on this one? Not in a rush to get it replaced so I have plenty of time to think about it.

killian96ss · Post by **killian96ss** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:06 am

I really liked the sound of the Flowmaster Force II kit that I had on my 01 Crew Cab. It is made for an extended cab S10, but with a little tweaking it does fit the CC. The kit has a resonator, 50 series 3 chamber SUV muffler, and a 2-1/2" mandrel bent tailpipe. I believe Gibson, Magnaflow, and a few other companies also make cat back kits for the CC. The biggest problem with the factory exhaust is the large restrictive muffler and the small 2-1/4" tailpipe. You want a system that is 2-1/2" from cat to tailpipe. Mandrel bent pipes flow much better than crush bent pipes, so if you can, try to get a mandrel bent system. Some systems are aluminized steel while others are stainless. If you live where rust is a problem or you only drive short distances every day, a stainless system would last much longer. I recommend listening to a few exhaust clips from various S10's on You Tube to help you decide what sound you like best. I even have a few clips on there of my S10 CC and ZR2 Blazer (same user name). ZR2 USA also has a section with various exhaust clips.

Steve

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:45 pm

Thanks for the info. I was on Summit racing last night and saw a few systems I liked, one from Magnaflow but they said in the specs that it only fits crew cabs with Z85 suspension? I know the ZR5 had different shocks but is that what they mean?

Post by **HenryJ** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:34 pm

Z85 is the increased capacity leaf springs. As far as I know all the production crew cabs manufactured since 2001 had the Z85 option. You can check your glove box codes just to be sure.

ZR5 is an appearance package and did not include any suspension parts or shocks.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:44 pm

Excellent! Thanks for the info. Now to youtube and listen to some sound clips.

Indigo04 · Post by **Indigo04** » Tue May 15, 2012 1:55 pm

My fathers muffler fell off his 99 xtreme, I took it to the muffler shop here in town and had a straight pipe installed. Decent around town and quiet at speeds as all the sound blows out the back.

sonomadude4x4 · Post by **sonomadude4x4** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:40 pm

if u want a muffler i prefer magnaflow. . flowmaster seem to resonate bad and have like a metaliac sound magnaflow gives u just a smooth deep tone thats what i put on my new truck i had just a straight pipe on my s-10 sounded good and didnt resonate in the cab was kinda loud with the windows down but not bad

driveroflyn274 · Post by **driveroflyn274** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:52 am

Has anyone tried the Aero Turbine muffler? I have seen other trucks with it and the Tacoma guys seem to dig it's sound. I was thinking of picking up the 2525XL.

mars2878 · Post by **mars2878** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:54 pm

Sorry, I've never heard of it.
Hopefully somebody will chime in soon w/ helpful info.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:29 pm

Humm i will have to youtube that. I did like the magnaflow sound on video on other peoples 4.3L However I want to get the 3 inch exhaust setup as recommended so I will have to get full custom. It does not look like magnaflow makes anything like that bolt on.

driveroflyn274 · Post by **driveroflyn274** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:37 am

This is the only YouTube video I could find with it. Not sure if this truck has the stock cats or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ELT8bQyvQ

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:07 am

Thats it, thats exactly what I want, is what he describes in the video description. Must see if I can find one of these.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:42 pm

So I have been pondering the intake/exhuast situation on my truck. I came across this:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1RL1SRTZFs ... re=related

I'm looking at the Magnaflow mufflers listed on Synergy Offroad and I have 1 thing holding me back from ordering.

Do I get centered in/out or 1 end offset? They are reversible.

Synergy's exhuast section: http://www.shop.synergyoffroad.com/Inta ... st_c33.htm
Magnaflow: http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/universalmuffler.asp

And I'm gonna order the Spectre intake (part # 9901) from summit, because they seem to have the best price at $150 with free shipping: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/spe-9901

Other things to note: Summit also seems to have the best price on magnaflow mufflers, and with free shipping as of right now. Also, the spectre and magnaflow products are made in the USA.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 4:56 pm

Oh nice. maybe I should spend my extra money for the week there then! I need both things. After this salt storm I will be needing a new muffler.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:29 pm

HenryJ wrote:The "New" Cherrybomb Vortex muffler is a combination of all three muffler designs. It is unique. I think it might make a good one for the V-6 too.
The Delta flow muffler I had on mine was pretty darn good. I still think the 3" cat back single is the sweet spot for the s-series V-6.
It will all depend upon what you want it to sound like , your driving habits and your environmental conditions.
You are building a horn. Tube size, muffler, length and tip all play a part.
Check with your local muffler guru. They know what works best for your area.

The more I read into it, I think I'm going to get a 3 inch in/out muffler. I am torn between these 2:

Cherry Bomb Vortex-88105
http://www.cherrybomb.com/Catalog/vorte ... 88105.aspx
http://www.jegs.com/i/Cherry+Bomb/545/8 ... MgodwnQAhA

Magnaflow 12249
http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shop ... n&id=10890
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mpe-12259?seid=google

Currently, summit has the magnaflow with free shipping for $100, Jegs has the cherry bomb for $82 without shipping. I would guess that with shipping it would work out to about the same price.

I am not looking for loud. I am not looking for the v8 wannabe sound. However, I do not mind louder. I simply want freer flowing, more efficient exhaust than stock. I am in it for the performance, not the sound. The intake was ordered today. Exhaust is next. Then hopefully a tune. I want to get my MPGs up to a number that is not embarrassing.

Thoughts? Has anyone used the vortex cherry bomb series yet? Which one "should" be the quieter of the 2?

I really think either one will be fine.

Post by **HenryJ** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:23 pm

I am running the cherrybomb vortex. On a V-8 though.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:38 pm

The cherry bomb is on the 4.3L Blazer I have for sale if you want to hear what it sounds like. I actually love the sound. I am doing the 3 inch exhaust also, but the blazer is a 2.5.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:22 am

I would enjoy hearing both.

By the way, Cherry Bombs are made in Tennessee. Magnaflow and Spectre Performance are both made in California.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:36 am

Ill have to dust off the blazer (literally, its covered in snow right now) and fire it up and make a video.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:19 am

I'm gonna order the magnaflow. **Ordered!**

Let me get this correct though:

3 inch in/out on the cat, reduced to 2.5 inch in/ 2.25 inch out muffler is what's stock?
No need to change the cat to a "high flow" aftermarket cat?

What am I missing?

The plan is 3 inch from cat to muffler to tailpipe routed in the stock location, but tucked up as high as possible.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:12 pm

_STUCKY wrote:I'm gonna order the magnaflow. **Ordered!**

Let me get this correct though:

3 inch in/out on the cat, reduced to 2.5 inch in/ 2.25 inch out muffler is what's stock?
No need to change the cat to a "high flow" aftermarket cat?

What am I missing?

The plan is 3 inch from cat to muffler to tailpipe routed in the stock location, but tucked up as high as possible.

I was gonna do the exact same thing. I just bought the muffler and intake now.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:36 pm

ApproachMedium wrote: I was gonna do the exact same thing. I just bought the muffler and intake now.

Which muffler did you order?

I'm now trying to find a local exhaust shop with a mandrel bender. The 2 local shops I've dealt with do not have mandrel benders. I may still take it to one of them though.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:13 pm

Whatever one you linked me to for 100 bucks.... LOL

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:26 pm

ApproachMedium wrote:Whatever one you linked me to for 100 bucks.... LOL

Magnaflow 18 inch long, 3 inch in/out, 1 centered and 1 offset end, reversible, and American made!

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:32 am

Check this out. Made in California my... Donkey!

Hecho en China!

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:54 pm

How did you get yours already? Only my muffler shipped which was supposed to be here yesterday but apparently UPS cant read my unit number on my house so it is now being sent back to the shipper. I really cant stand UPS they are the worst! Fed ex and the post office have never had an issue.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 4:56 pm

I don't know. They told me that both were in Ohio on Sunday. I ordered the intake Saturday, the muffler Sunday. I got the muffler yesterday, and the intake today. Tell me how that works?

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:07 pm

Makes no sense. I ordered mine both on sunday, and they told me the intake had to be special ordered so it would be shipped separately. Looks like you got the last one they had in stock.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:11 pm

The different part numbers are just the color of the filter. I wonder why they didn't set you up with a different color.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:12 pm

I didnt even know I could pick a color. I cant wait to see how this mess with the muffler is going to go.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:28 pm

It shouldn't be bad. Just have to find someone that you are confident in bending and welding it all up.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:02 pm

Yea I have someone whos good with that part, its this whole shipping mess that I am more worried about. Just checked summit and my intake is backordered till the end of the month. Thats fine I dont need to save money on gas till then. LOL

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:36 pm

Just see if they can change the order to a different colored filter.

9901 red
9901W white
9901K black
9901B blue

http://www.spectreperformance.com/index ... lt/?q=9901

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:25 pm

Its showing mine as 9901K which is black. let me see if I can call them and get it changed.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:01 pm

Got it fixed. Paypal apparently never carried over my unit number to the order. They gave me a red filter with black connections or something. I really could care less what it looks like as long as it works! It should all be shipped tomorrow.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:32 pm

I changed the link to go to the red filter instead of the black one. Hopefully, no one else has a problem ordering it. By the way, I suggest calling instead of ordering online, and asking lots of questions. They are there to answer your questions and send you the parts you need.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:38 pm

Yea I called to have all the order stuff changed, they were very good and knew exactly what I was talking about. I like buying things online at 2:30AM though so I usually dont think to call places to order stuff. It shows my intake as shipped now but no tracking info. Odd. The muffler was reshipped. Lets see what happens!

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:07 pm

So you didn't get either one yet?

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:13 pm

Lol nope. I just called them last night at 11:30 to change the order. Everything was shipped today. We'll see what happens.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:31 pm

HJ, I got questions

I was told that 3 inch tube in the stock location won't fit. The guy claims he is going to have to "run it out the back". I tried telling him that it appears to have plenty of room. I have an appointment scheduled for 8 in the morning.

Was yours unbolted from the back of the cat, then 3 inch from there? All in the stock location? Any pictures you can find?

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:41 pm

Also, on the page with all the mods to that truck listed, it says "removed pre-cat".

Should I?

Edit: I have an 18 inch Magnaflow with 3 inch in/out

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:56 am

3" fits. Many more than just mine have done it. I deleted the precat and added a flange before the main cat. Then 3" all the way back (stock routing)
If the shop you are visiting can't do it, find another shop.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:29 pm

We got it taken care of. The guy cut the flange off right behind the cat and welded it from there back. Instead of routing it over the leaf spring and out right there, we went around the spare and out just under the hitch. It sounds good, but not loud. I'll get some pictures and hopefully a sound clip in the near future.

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 4:59 pm

I try to keep the exhaust exit as close to the wheel as possible. That area is less likely to get crushed on declination. For my uses exiting the back under the bumper is bad news. The hitch can scrub. Exhaust pipe does not fare well. I have seen many scrubbed and mashed shut back there.

See that little corner where the stock exhaust exits. That clears. Under the back bumper would have been a problem for sure.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:21 pm

Oh boy! Hopefully mine never sees such an incline. Why did you change the routing to around the spare instead of the leaf spring? I was hoping for mine i could keep the stock exit location since firing at the ground gives a better reverb.

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:56 pm

ApproachMedium wrote:Oh boy! Hopefully mine never sees such an incline.

The approach angle was fun too!

I took up winch plowing

That is a playground everyone should add to their bucket list. A real confidence builder. Easy stuff.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:07 pm

Cool! Where is it? its too bad I dont trust mine going much further west than Harrisburg PA or any further south than DC, unless im taking the auto train of course.

Until the new engine is installed, I dont want to lay too much faith on the current engine.

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:13 pm

ApproachMedium wrote:Cool! Where is it?...

"Fins-n-things" Moab, UT

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:14 pm

Well, it's not under the bumper, it's just barely under the hitch. It's still tucked up nice and high. As for the routing, the guy's bender can't make a bend over a bend. Once the pipe is crushed at one angle, it had to be moved to where the end of the die was at the end of that bend to make another bend, hopefully that makes sense. He only had 1 stick of 3 inch pipe, so we worked with it. The way that the pipe needed bent to fit where the stocker exited, it would have needed bent about 1-2 inches further towards the front of the truck, but couldn't because of the previous bend. We tried it, the bender wouldn't do it. Honestly, I'm more concerned with how close it is to the spare. The spare that is there currently is pretty much junk, a perfect candidate to see if it will melt any. It sounds good, it's fully welded, I couldn't hear/see/feel any leaks, it's tucked up high, it doesn't touch anything but is tight everywhere at the back. I'm happy with it so far. If the spare does start to have issues from the heat, we will cut it off and bend another piece to exit in the stock location. This was discussed.

I should have taken a picture while it was on the lift. I'll get some more when I get it up in the air. I will make a sound clip, but it will probably be Saturday. At highway speeds my tires are louder. It's is louder, but not a ricey or a v8 wannabe sound.

I'll get more pictures when it's on a lift so I can get one of the whole thing.

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:18 pm

That actually looks pretty darn good

If you have room , you could wrap the exhaust near that tire. It shouldn't be all that hot back there unless you sit and idle lots.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:22 pm

HenryJ wrote:
ApproachMedium wrote:Cool! Where is it?...
"Fins-n-things" Moab, UT

Cool! Looks like some good fun! I wish I lived closer to something like that.

Looks like the exhaust routing came out good to me, i wouldnt mind mine being set up like that. I dont have a hitch on mine. There may be one in the future though should my friend ever decide that we are going to tow is 61 Corvair Wagon out to the Woodward Dream Cruise out in Michigan.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:24 pm

It shouldn't be getting too hot. I was actually really surprised. It was a 45 minute drive home, and when I got home, the first thing I did was put on a leather glove and go touch the end.

Warm, but not anywhere near as hot as I expected.

_STUCKY · Post by **_STUCKY** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:12 pm

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qY5ZOJcFgj ... e=m-ch-fea

My buddy did this all with some app on an iPhone. It took maybe 10 minutes to do.

If nothing else, this shows how NOT loud it is. As you could see at the end, my tires are a lot louder. We would have done an in cab sound clip, but I don't think you have been able to hear anything but tires. I am happy with it. I really did not want it to be loud and obnoxious. This has definitely made it more free flowing. With both the Spectre air intake and the exhaust, it feels slightly more powerful, although it is still a long way from popping wheelies. Fuel mileage with just the air intake seemed unchanged. When I stop putting my foot down to try to hear the exhaust, hopefully mileage will show a small improvement.

I know, I know..... Paint my wheel weights and put on some center caps.

ApproachMedium · Post by **ApproachMedium** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 12:47 am

Nice! Glad I got one of these, now I need to install it. The sound is good, I like that when you drove by all you could hear is the tires, that means i wont be getting all these annoying groans when I am cruising down the highway.