Over the past few days I have had a sound coming from what I first thought to be the tires. Wednesday I checked the tires and wheel bearings and noticed some odd wear so I stopped today and got some new skins. I figured the sound would be gone but NO !!
The sound seams to be coming from rite under my feet and if I put my hand on the floor board I can feel the floor board rumbling. The 4WD seems to work fine. The noise sounds like the truck is running down the road on 32 inch mud tires. Any thoughts? If this fix is going to cost a lot of $$$ this truck just might get traded for NEW. I have 90,000 miles on it now.
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Noise From Transfer Case? ( front wheel bearings )
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Noise From Transfer Case? ( front wheel bearings )
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Does the noise go away in 4hi/4lo? Did you check the u-joints and the CV joint on the front drive shaft at the transfer case front output shaft? When checking the CV joint keep an eye on that area of the transfer case for excessive movement it might indicate bad bearing??? Might be a loose chain???
Document ID# 1239714
2001 Chevrolet/Geo S10 Pickup - 4WD
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Slips in 4-Wheel Drive, Noise, Vibration, Leaks, Hot Odor (Diagnose and Repair Front Differential and/or Transfer Case) #02-04-21-005A - (Feb 11, 2003)
Slips in 4-Wheel Drive, Noise, Vibration, Leaks, Hot Odor (Diagnose and Repair Front Differential and/or Transfer Case)
1999-2000 Cadillac Escalade
1998-2002 Chevrolet S-10, Silverado, Blazer, Suburban, Tahoe
2002 Chevrolet Avalanche
1998-2002 GMC Sierra, Sonoma, Jimmy, Suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL
with Autotrak Transfer Case (RPO NP8) (Selector Pad on Instrument Panel Must Have Auto 4WD, 4HI, 4LO, and 2HI Selections)
This bulletin is being revised to incorporate changes to the diagnostic procedure. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 02-04-21-005 (Section 04 -- Driveline Axle).
Condition
Some customers may comment on any of the following conditions:
Slips in 4WD
Noise
Vibration
Leaks
Hot odor
Cause
The front axle may have excessive preload in the pinion or carrier bearings or may be locked up not allowing the pinion to rotate freely. Vehicles with a NVG 236 or 246 transfer case (RPO NP8) have a preload in the clutch pack of the transfer case that supplies torque to the front driveshaft at all times. The front and rear driveshafts should be rotating at approximately the same speed (the front driveshaft display on the Tech 2® may be slightly higher but never less than the rear).
Diagnostic Tips
1. Position the vehicle on the hoist and raise the hoist until all four wheels are off the ground.
2. Connect the Tech 2® to the vehicle.
3. Start the engine.
4. Select the following screens on the Tech 2®:
5. Select 2 HI with the transfer case selector switch.
6. Apply the service brake and move the transmission selector lever in any forward gear.
7. Release the service brake.
8. Observe the front and rear propeller shaft speeds displayed on the Tech
2®. The front and rear driveshafts should be rotating at approximately the same speed (the front driveshaft display on the Tech 2® may be slightly higher but never less than the rear). If they are not, skip to the Correction section below. If the driveshaft speeds are approximately the same, diagnose for other conditions that may be causing the concern. If the vehicle is stationary, the front propeller shaft should not rotate freely. It may take up to 54 N·m (40 lb ft) of torque to turn the front output shaft of the transfer case. If the front axle for any reason does not allow the front propeller shaft to spin while in the 2WD setting, the clutch pack in the transfer case will overheat because of the speed difference (slip) across the clutch pack between the stationary front driveshaft and the rotating rear driveshaft.
Correction
For vehicles with the NP8 transfer case option (Autotrak with push-button selections for 2HI. Auto 4WD, 4HI, 4LO and Neutral) only, when a vehicle comes in for issues with the front axle, the transfer case should also be inspected for overheating by inspecting for burned fluid or a free rotating front driveshaft. In addition to correcting front axle concerns, necessary repairs should be made to the transfer case.
Labor Operation
Description Usage Labor Time
F4002
Front Differential and Transfer Case - Recondition
T Trucks 9.0 hrs
K Trucks (Old Style) 7.6 hrs
K Trucks (New Style) 7.8 hrs
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Document ID# 1239714
2001 Chevrolet/Geo S10 Pickup - 4WD
Document ID# 1239714
2001 Chevrolet/Geo S10 Pickup - 4WD
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Slips in 4-Wheel Drive, Noise, Vibration, Leaks, Hot Odor (Diagnose and Repair Front Differential and/or Transfer Case) #02-04-21-005A - (Feb 11, 2003)
Slips in 4-Wheel Drive, Noise, Vibration, Leaks, Hot Odor (Diagnose and Repair Front Differential and/or Transfer Case)
1999-2000 Cadillac Escalade
1998-2002 Chevrolet S-10, Silverado, Blazer, Suburban, Tahoe
2002 Chevrolet Avalanche
1998-2002 GMC Sierra, Sonoma, Jimmy, Suburban, Yukon, Yukon XL
with Autotrak Transfer Case (RPO NP8) (Selector Pad on Instrument Panel Must Have Auto 4WD, 4HI, 4LO, and 2HI Selections)
This bulletin is being revised to incorporate changes to the diagnostic procedure. Please discard Corporate Bulletin Number 02-04-21-005 (Section 04 -- Driveline Axle).
Condition
Some customers may comment on any of the following conditions:
Slips in 4WD
Noise
Vibration
Leaks
Hot odor
Cause
The front axle may have excessive preload in the pinion or carrier bearings or may be locked up not allowing the pinion to rotate freely. Vehicles with a NVG 236 or 246 transfer case (RPO NP8) have a preload in the clutch pack of the transfer case that supplies torque to the front driveshaft at all times. The front and rear driveshafts should be rotating at approximately the same speed (the front driveshaft display on the Tech 2® may be slightly higher but never less than the rear).
Diagnostic Tips
1. Position the vehicle on the hoist and raise the hoist until all four wheels are off the ground.
2. Connect the Tech 2® to the vehicle.
3. Start the engine.
4. Select the following screens on the Tech 2®:
- F0; Diagnostics
Vehicle model year
LD truck; MPV; Incomplete
F0; Powertrain
Vehicle engine
4-speed automatic
2 speed Active
F1; Data Display
F2; ATC Data Display
F0; Transfer Case Data
5. Select 2 HI with the transfer case selector switch.
6. Apply the service brake and move the transmission selector lever in any forward gear.
7. Release the service brake.
8. Observe the front and rear propeller shaft speeds displayed on the Tech
2®. The front and rear driveshafts should be rotating at approximately the same speed (the front driveshaft display on the Tech 2® may be slightly higher but never less than the rear). If they are not, skip to the Correction section below. If the driveshaft speeds are approximately the same, diagnose for other conditions that may be causing the concern. If the vehicle is stationary, the front propeller shaft should not rotate freely. It may take up to 54 N·m (40 lb ft) of torque to turn the front output shaft of the transfer case. If the front axle for any reason does not allow the front propeller shaft to spin while in the 2WD setting, the clutch pack in the transfer case will overheat because of the speed difference (slip) across the clutch pack between the stationary front driveshaft and the rotating rear driveshaft.
Correction
For vehicles with the NP8 transfer case option (Autotrak with push-button selections for 2HI. Auto 4WD, 4HI, 4LO and Neutral) only, when a vehicle comes in for issues with the front axle, the transfer case should also be inspected for overheating by inspecting for burned fluid or a free rotating front driveshaft. In addition to correcting front axle concerns, necessary repairs should be made to the transfer case.
Labor Operation
Description Usage Labor Time
F4002
Front Differential and Transfer Case - Recondition
T Trucks 9.0 hrs
K Trucks (Old Style) 7.6 hrs
K Trucks (New Style) 7.8 hrs
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Document ID# 1239714
2001 Chevrolet/Geo S10 Pickup - 4WD
Thanks for the reply. This sounds like a job for the pros. It will be at the dealer on Monday.
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Ok it wasn't the transfer case. Both front wheel bearings where trashed. When I had the new tires put on I told them to check the wheel bearing and Sears told me they where fine.
Wheel bearings, ball joints, front end alignment, replace the leaking intake gasket, (antifreeze was running down the back of the block) and turn the front BILSTEINS OVER THE WAY THEY ARE SUPPOSE BE INSTALLED !!!! $ 1700.00 ..... I have to go to the dealer with everything. If anyone remembers my Great Brake Job , he is the same mechanic who installed my shocks.
I was close to trading it but I figure one more winter and its gone... I just can't find a truck I like better.
Wheel bearings, ball joints, front end alignment, replace the leaking intake gasket, (antifreeze was running down the back of the block) and turn the front BILSTEINS OVER THE WAY THEY ARE SUPPOSE BE INSTALLED !!!! $ 1700.00 ..... I have to go to the dealer with everything. If anyone remembers my Great Brake Job , he is the same mechanic who installed my shocks.
I was close to trading it but I figure one more winter and its gone... I just can't find a truck I like better.
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There is allot of labor involved though, and with both wheel bearings replace, that is $400 in parts just with that. Just to make you feel better, I just replaced one of my rear axle seals (no idea why it was leaking), but to do that, I had to cut a pressed spacer and bearing off. So with new bearing kit and seal, total cost was like $25.
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Yeah I know what you mean. I saw it when it was torn down, it wasn't just a simple bearing job like I remember doing. They replaced the entire hub. On a bad point my ABS light came on today. I hope its a simple fix, if not I am going to ask for a loaner. I had to rent a car for three days for the last stay at the shop.
The repair was worth it. The truck drives sweet. I use to get a slight vibration at around 70 mph. I was cruising at 80 today smooth as silk.
The repair was worth it. The truck drives sweet. I use to get a slight vibration at around 70 mph. I was cruising at 80 today smooth as silk.
[size=75]2001 S-10 Crew , A.R.E Cap, Limo tint windows, Halogen Back up lights. Bilstein Shocks, 1.5 Rear Spacers, Summit Rear Diff Cover Clear Bumper Lights, Carbon Altezza Tail Lights, Billet Grill. SS Step Bars. GM full front bra. ,,, GM Quote concerning the gurgling heater core " They all sound like that"[/size]