Howling noise when turning right What is it ??

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Howling noise when turning right What is it ??

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1. drivers side CV axle replaced with new NAPA shaft 3 months ago
2 all 4 ball jints replaced with MOOGs 2 months ago

I did the ball joints after shop did CV axle because they had left off cotter pin on nut for lower ball joint and I did not trust them anymore.

Now I have a howl when turning to the right or driving striaght ahead. noise goes away when turning at all to the left of center. :?: :?: :?: :?:

what does this point to being worn out???
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It might be a bad wheel bearing. :?

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OK but which side ???

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truck only has 60K city miles never goes off road. Has anybody used these bearings???

Is there a rule of thumb if it howls turning in a direction to point to which side is bad??

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Bearings can go bad on a 6 yr old truck anytime. Try letting the little fellow ride in the back seat instead of tying a bacon soaked rag on your wheel.
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Lots of good bearing threads around take a look, there is a diagnostic for what to look for in one or more of them. Jigg's parts are top notch, I replaced mine this past summer at 56K. Not a hard job.
When mine went bad the noise was on the side that was bad but I replaced both just to be safe since if one is bad the other probably is not too far behind.
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Sounds like what mine was doing. Left turns were relatively quiet, straight was noisy, right turns pretty loud. Once it seems to start "slipping"/"not catching" and the brake pedal acts crazy.....you've waited too long. (don't ask how I know :oops: )

Got that bearing back in October and all seems fine now.
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So which side is most likey bad ??? I will get both BUT

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its like 10F outside and I just want to swap out the bad one till we get to the two weeks of summer here in Michigan
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Okay, jack it up and place your hands at the 12 and 6 o'clock positions on your wheel. Any play will lead you to replacing the bearing assemblies. May as well do both because the one you replace will be the wrong one. Trust me I know! Just do them both now! They both will need replacing within a short timeline of each other. I know it sucks but, most of us have been there and did it on a tight budget. Better to get help here than trust the work to someone that probably will not have a resources that we can provide.
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Ordered both hubs today from the above link....

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I will jack the truck up and try to see if one is sloppy.

I REALLY would like to do just one till spring its cold up here

How fast do they get worse if I run it abit longer will it get so sloppy that its obvious which one is bad??

I have read both versions of which one to replace I have
seen both views turn right and noisy its left bearing.....also seen turn
right and noisy its right bearing :?:

Am I getting this right the preferred method is flip a coin replace one and hope??? It will be a few days till parts get here so I can yank and pull on both sides till then
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How about posting up your location in your profile so, we can see what weather you are dealing with. There may be a break in the weather coming up. 15* here tonight but, 50* in two days from now.

Mine in my heep raised holy h_ll for months before I replaced it. It was the wrong one, of course! If, you are hauling family in it, you need to address it faster than if, it is just you going to work.
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It took about 3 months of 60+ miles commuting before mine became unbearable ( I also waited for spring weather) The last couple of weeks I was hoping one did not seize with all the noise it was making.
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Looks like I'm about to join the club.
Which bearings have most of you used? I've checked threads and on line sites they run from around $70 to over $200. I took everyone's advice on the Bilsteins and getting the H2O out of the diff/vent tube. Now I wonder which bearings to get. I've seen some Timkens but they don't have the abs sensor - is the old sensor reusable, or should I get a unit with the sensor already installed?
Same story, 65K and it howls going straight or with some left turn - right turn and it goes away.
I'm planning on doing these with new brakes.
Nobody says anything about the rears - seems not to be much trouble with those...
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The front wheel bearings are a double caged hub assembly. Plan on them being around $200 each.

I went with NAPA premium line. I don't know if that was good or bad, but they have been doing fine.

The sensor is just a conductive pick up. Not much can usually go wrong with a magnet. Wiring , seals and the chance for contamination might be good reasons to buy a hub assembly with the new sensor.

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Any way to rig a puller to extract the hub from knuckle??

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Ordered pair of US made hubs from http://www.shop.synergyoffroad.com/prod ... roductId=5

Does anybody know if the above US made hubs come with the oring seals?

I am leaning toward replacing left side first as when turning right it gets louder.

While I wait on the UPS truck I am going to drive it some more and see if it get louder and looser

What are our steering knuckles made from cast iron, steel, or aluminum? I helped a friend with a Sable his sterring knuckles were aluminum and with the salt here the aluminum oxides in the light pressfit was like a sheet of snadpaper adding friction to the joint. They were horrible to get out.

Any tricks to popping them out of the knuckle? The axle shaft will be easy I have a set of 3 jaw pullers up to 18 inch in diameter. I just do not see anything to rig up a puller to react against to pull the hub out of the knuckle
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Drove it some more today getting much louder I am convinced the left side is the one to swap first. Do those come with the seal/oring?

Does he usually have them in stock? I am chompin at the bit to get started on it...I hated not trusting what I am driving.

good thing is the knuckles are magnetic so not aluminum so this might be a piece of cake even in 10 F weather
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Hardest part of the whole job for me was breaking loose the axle nut if you can get them loose it's just a matter of removing the caliper hanging it out of the way and then unbolting the 3 bolts holding the hub to the knuckle. Jack from under the A arm to keep everything straight and use a puller to remove the hub. Reinstall new hub ( I do not remember getting the new o-rings but mine were still good so I just reinstalled). You will need a torque wrench to bolt up the axle nut, it needs 200lb/ft. He drop ships from the manufacturer so I got mine in just a couple of days.
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Cleaning up the surface rust on the knuckle's mating surfaces and applying a liberal dose of anti seize will make you or someone else very happy down the road. :wink:
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Heat wave here today 33F out so .....

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Tore down the left front and used a 13lb slide hammer attached to lugs tugged the hub right out.

Still no UPS tracking status .....I bet once the tempature drops to arctic ranges the UPS delivery will be here :( :D
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tomtk wrote:Tore down the left front and used a 13lb slide hammer attached to lugs tugged the hub right out.

Still no UPS tracking status .....I bet once the tempature drops to arctic ranges the UPS delivery will be here :( :D
You got a pic of that slide hammer. I'm probably going to need one of those sooner or later. Thanks,
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13lb slide hammer I used

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http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=38878

I bolted the chain attacment with some old lug nuts on upside down and hammered and rotated around the 3 points where hub attached.

I already had this slidehammer I bought it on markdown couple years ago as a return for like $15 at the local harbor frieght.

This one might work better it has a hub attachment BUT the hammer is only 5lbs :shock:

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Steve did your Synergy Bearings have the same ...

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tomtk wrote:Ordered pair of US made hubs from http://www.shop.synergyoffroad.com/prod ... roductId=5

Does anybody know if the above US made hubs come with the oring seals?

I am leaning toward replacing left side first as when turning right it gets louder.

While I wait on the UPS truck I am going to drive it some more and see if it get louder and looser

What are our steering knuckles made from cast iron, steel, or aluminum? I helped a friend with a Sable his sterring knuckles were aluminum and with the salt here the aluminum oxides in the light pressfit was like a sheet of snadpaper adding friction to the joint. They were horrible to get out.

Any tricks to popping them out of the knuckle? The axle shaft will be easy I have a set of 3 jaw pullers up to 18 inch in diameter. I just do not see anything to rig up a puller to react against to pull the hub out of the knuckle
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style ABS sensor that bolted into the hub??? The ones I receieved have a rubber grommet where it goes in. id their ABS woire lead routed well for you?
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Thanks Everybody Howl is gone

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Replaced left hub as sound got louder on right turns and that shifted wieght to the left front.

I used the above hub Steve posted. I did swap one of the ABS wire brakets for the one that cam on it to route wire better. It was the one that has the locating tab on the upeer control arm. Hubs are slightly diff Diameter smaller by about .30 where the stock ORing seal would go so it would serve no purpose to install thta ORing.

Now it the right one lasts till spring I will be a happy camper
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Typo above meant .030 smaller

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Typo above meant .030 smaller
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Glad you got it back together, I am not sure it was a good idea to leave out the o-ring but time will tell.
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I am sure it will be fine with no Oring

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Like I said the diameter of the hub where the oring would have went was a good .030 smaller. I tried the oring in there BUT it did not seal anything and just flopped around loose in the space. Every other car I have helped change a bearing hub on had no seal there.