Superlift - CV Axle Boot & Turning Issues

BobbyMarks · Post by **BobbyMarks** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:26 pm

Recently I had the 6" Superlift suspension lift installed in my S-10. At first I noticed the right boot loose, after that I had both CV axles installed new just as a precaution and now two weeks later the boots on both CV axles are broken. I was wondering if any of you guys had any solutions to this problem. And another thing I noticed after mounting the lift kit was that the turning radius is waayy bigger now than before. My steering wheel now only spins one circle to each side, when before it used to do 2 and half i think.

Any ideas would be of good use and appreciation. THANKS

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:31 pm

Do you have some adjustment to back off the T-bars?

I think there were some more flexible CV boots available? Worth a search.

Most if not all the IFS lifted truck owners are gone. I think Steve still stops in now and then. A Pm to him might yield some insight. I don't recall his having problems though.

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:19 pm

BobbyMarks wrote:Recently I had the 6" Superlift suspension lift installed in my S-10..............................

Welcome to he forum. Wish that you would have asked for opinions before the SL lift but, it is done. What are your plans for the rig? Hope that you post pics of your CC when you have time.

BobbyMarks · Post by **BobbyMarks** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:16 am

Sorry I did'nt post before, i only read past post and used them to make my desicion on getting the lift kit, as soon as a I'm done mounting the wheels and tires I'll post the photos

Who is steve? how can i reach him? i would like to solve this problem with out getting rid of my truck.

Post by **HenryJ** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:44 pm

Steve2003

Although I think I read his front end was trashed. Still maybe he will have recommendations as I think his lasted longer than most.

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 8:24 pm

HenryJ wrote:............ I think his lasted longer than most.

That is my understanding, as well. If, he does not chime in, remind me and I will email him. We seem to still keep in touch.

bwenny247 · Post by **bwenny247** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:35 pm

Had my BDS lift on the truck for about a little over a year before I sold mine. Never had any issues with it, or the front end. (I did replace the front wheel bearings, but that's what you get for 33X12.50 MT's)

The only reason I sold it was because I had to do my student teaching. 4 months without an income, while paying just over $3000 to be allowed the "privillage" of student teaching, with insurance, rent and a truck payment. I couldn't afford it anymore. I loved my lifted crew and if I would have planned a little better, I'd still have it today.

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:52 pm

bwenny247 wrote:Had my BDS lift on the truck for about a little over a year before I sold mine. Never had any issues with it, or the front end. (I did replace the front wheel bearings, but that's what you get for 33X12.50 MT's) .....................................

I for one remember your fondness off your CC and you put allot of time in it.
That was a sweet exhaust exit that you had on it. I turned to you about roll on bed liner sprayed quarter panels versus professionally applied and you recommended no to the "whatever" brand that you roll on yourself.

It might be time to to just give impressions of the CC and what we actually did with them. I know you hammered the snot out of yours. How often were you off pavement? What percentage did you hammer it?

I am a friend but, how hard did you hammer it off road? These guys are younger than you and I but, we need to pass on what we have done through trial and error and save them the headaches. These rigs are well out of warranty unless an aftermarket one was purchased.

bwenny247 · Post by **bwenny247** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:12 pm

thanks for the kind words

making me blush, lol

I wheeled my truck about 2-4 times a month. I never ran it in/on the rocks, always in the mud. that truck, and those tires, loved the mud. It was always sweet when you rolled out and got back on pavement...you could hear the gentle clunk, clunk, clunk of chunks of mud flying off the tires and landing on the roof and hood. I've got a picture of it up in my classroom, all my students give me that look like i'm nuts and ask me if I'm crazy for selling it.

I loved that truck, I always got compliments on it. I should try and track the kid down that I sold it to...actually I don't even remember his name

jeff024 · Post by **jeff024** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:14 pm

I havent read alot of the threads but has all the 5/6 in lifts taken there toll on the front ends of the S10s.

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:11 pm

jeff024 wrote:I havent read alot of the threads but has all the 5/6 in lifts taken there toll on the front ends of the S10s.

No one remains active here. I don't want to be a naysayer but, I do believe that either lift may be ok for the mall but. moderate offroading is tough on it. Most have either evolved into something else or.......whatever! We are on our second and third gen CC owners now. We do need to stress the search function to them though

mcluvin · Post by **mcluvin** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:06 pm

ok so i just got my 02 cc. i am planning on getting the superlift. would it be practical for me for daily driving and very mild wheeling just to get to fishing and hunting holes?

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:35 pm

mcluvin wrote:ok so i just got my 02 cc. i am planning on getting the superlift. would it be practical for me for daily driving and very mild wheeling just to get to fishing and hunting holes?

Save your money and get something cheaper as a huntin' and fishin' rig. I got a lifted XJ 2 yrs ago for 2K and they are cheaper now!

Either way be prepared to wrench on a lifted Heep or a lifted ifs S-10.

As a plus, you now have no worries if, you roll the Heep!

mcluvin · Post by **mcluvin** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:23 am

thanks and i will do some more searching

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:56 am

Let's do a little math.

6" SUPERLIFT Bare bones lift, MSRP........$2,299.23. Their better kit is $2,541.22 !

Doing a quick google for prices I found the bare bones kit for $2043.95 w/free shipping!

Let's say you can get the install done for $500 and that is dreaming. We are now at approx $2550.

Now to be on the cheap side you want to keep your rims but, you want to go with 33" tires. You'll need 5 of them because you need a same size spare to make it to home from the fishing trip and you've torn a sidewall that can't be patched. If, you want new meats then you might get some for around $1000 but, nothing spectacular. You then search for weeks or longer on Ebay, Craigslist and your local 4x4 forums and find a used set with 50% tread for $300. You are now anywhere between $2,350 and $3.050! If, you can do the install or have friends that will do it for free. It requires some welding and a torsion bar tool that is $150 plus.

Bottom line is that if, you want to keep your rims, get used tires and pay for the install, that cost will be on top of the base $2,350! I can pretty much promise you that no one will install it for $500. I have confused myself with the calculations but, they are all conservative.

I didn't even go into where you might store that 33" spare. It ain't even going to where your stock one is now.

mcluvin · Post by **mcluvin** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:14 pm

yeah i've been toyin with the math myself and doin lots of searching... seems like the mystary lift is the way to go so i'll probly start makeing things happin in that direction...

Jongo88 · Post by **Jongo88** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:14 pm

That's it in a nut shell.. But very, very conservative.... If you have good luck....

mcluvin · Post by **mcluvin** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:16 pm

i don't really like the idea of cutting the fenders though at least not yet

Jongo88 · Post by **Jongo88** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:19 pm

I did the skids front cut on mine.. I like it. No rub now and everyone can't tell they are cut... You have to know to see it...

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:40 pm

What really boggles my mind is that I do not "get" UTVs!

$10K+ and you can't even drive them to work or use them as a parts rig when you find out that they gave you the wrong parts for your CC. WTF???????

Add the tow rig and trailer and I get flashbacks to some robot saying "this does not compute!"

border man · Post by **border man** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:10 am

f9k9 wrote:What really boggles my mind is that I do not "get" UTVs!

$10K+ and you can't even drive them to work or use them as a parts rig when you find out that they gave you the wrong parts for your CC. WTF???????"

You can legally drive those here in AZ, heck you can license anything on wheels as long as you have liability ins, headlight/tailight/brakelight and some sort of horn. Those rubber bulb ones work too.

Gary H · Post by **Gary H** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 3:20 pm

f9k9 wrote:
jeff024 wrote:I havent read alot of the threads but has all the 5/6 in lifts taken there toll on the front ends of the S10s.
No one remains active here. I don't want to be a naysayer but, I do believe that either lift may be ok for the mall but. moderate offroading is tough on it. Most have either evolved into something else or.......whatever! We are on our second and third gen CC owners now. We do need to stress the search function to them though

Never see Quickbiker here anymore but I wheeled with him back in January and his CC seems to be doing well. Of course he SFA'd his truck so I guess nothing about CV's and such applies anymore. After reading all the problems some were having with their 5" and 6" lifts, I chickened out and left my CC stock and found something else to go off road with.

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 7:48 pm

Gary H wrote:.......Never see Quickbiker here anymore but I wheeled with him back in January.........

Paul pops in and out on occasions but, spends most of his forum time on Pirate. His build is still what I want to accomplish on mine.
I got side tracked buying a lifted XJ! Our trails here are tight and I watched a SFAed ZR2 extended cab (same wheel base as ours) mangle the bed on his with nice protection and he was conservative on the skinny pedal. After I closed up all the channels of the rain gutters on the XJ I bought a wrangler heep. I just can't mod the heep and CC at the same time.

Picked up this for $2K. Don't ask how much I wrenched on it or spent on it.

It was already lifted when I bought it.

Same obstacle $10K later and probably another $3k since the photo was taken.

BTW, I am in no way promoting heeps. Merely attempting to discourage the newer members from sinking $3k in a S-10 if, they intend to wheel it.

That Cherokee climbing that 3' rock ledge was doable because the dude spotting me has forgotten more than I will ever know. The 2nd pic shows a "kid" spotting me on the same obstacle (different "line") is a Toyota exec at our Georgetown, KY plant. He lost a brother in a Jeep rollover wheelin' accident so, when he spots me, I pay attention.

Sorry, off of my safety soap box.

Gary H · Post by **Gary H** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:50 am

Yeah, I'm not trying to promote or demote anything either really but after reading everyone else's experiences with off roading lifted S-10's, I decided either spend the big bucks to SFA mine or just find something that was already SFA and work with that. My CC makes a nice comfortable daily driver for me and that's where I plan to leave it. I never really planned to build a Grand Cherokee (Limited no less, totally LOADED!

). It's really too nice to tear up on the trails so I do miss out on some of the more exciting runs but it sure is a lot more capable than my CC ever will be. I never give a second thought to going through an obstacle with the ZJ that I would never dream of taking my CC through. In fact, I went through one while the ZJ was still stock that hung up my CC (there's a picture around here somewhere of me and my CC high centered going into a mud hole).

Gary H · Post by **Gary H** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:55 am

By the way, to sort of get back on subject, is there any replacement CV boots out there that are more flexible than stock. I can't keep the one on the right side in place. Probably trashed the joint by now anyway from all the crud I'm sure has gotten in there by now.

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 3:30 pm

I do know that some are more flexible that others but, I do not know which ones and I am not talking about boots but, axles. If, it isn't trashed then refilling with grease and Brule's large hose clamp trick should work.

gocntry · Post by **gocntry** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:18 am

Gary H wrote:There's a picture around here somewhere of me and my CC high centered going into a mud hole).

Yep That Picture Still Exists.......

And Just To Be Fair Here Is A Picture Of You Not Stuck

Gary H · Post by **Gary H** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:42 am

gocntry wrote:
Gary H wrote:There's a picture around here somewhere of me and my CC high centered going into a mud hole).
Yep That Picture Still Exists.......

And I'm sure it will haunt me for a long time too!

Oh, and when I look at that last picture, I think about the "Tread lightly" thing and just cringe. They eventually closed off that area and it was because everyone (including us) was back there tearing things up.

gocntry · Post by **gocntry** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:29 am

Gary H wrote:Oh, and when I look at that last picture, I think about the "Tread lightly" thing and just cringe. They eventually closed off that area and it was because everyone (including us) was back there tearing things up.

Opps, Sorry 'Bout That. I Removed The Picture

Gary H · Post by **Gary H** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:00 am

Oh, I don't know that you had to remove it. I've since learned better but it's fun to look back sometimes.

(Of course it was fun spraying mud everywhere too!

)

gocntry · Post by **gocntry** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 1:54 pm

Gary H wrote:Oh, I don't know that you had to remove it. I've since learned better but it's fun to look back sometimes.

(Of course it was fun spraying mud everywhere too! )

Ok Put It Back

Just Didn't Want To Post A Pic Of You Doing Stuff That Made You "Cringe"

14x4 · Post by **14x4** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:47 pm

(I didn't want to make a new thread for this because it's been discussed a billion times already.)

I want more lift but I don't know what to do. For the past 2 months I've been researching and I'm still not sure. Obviously, my only options are a suspension lift or SAS. Correct me if I'm wrong - a suspension lift is cheaper, but a solid front axle is more durable, right?

I'd rather have a SFA, but I think a suspension lift is much more doable. A SAS seems like it would cost way too much considering I'd have to have a shop do it for me. If I chose the SL, the guy who helped me with my body lift can also help me with the SL (for cheap).

One of the main reasons I want more lift is for looks (no, no I'm not a street queen). I don't off-road nearly as much as I'd like (and when I do, I'm very gentle), so I don't think I'd be too worried about destroying the front end if I get a suspension lift.

I know you guys aren't too keen on suspension lifts but what do you think? I really really want more lift - I think about it every day - so please don't say neither.

By the way, has anyone seen this guy's truck before? http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2432907

Horsehammerr · Post by **Horsehammerr** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:00 pm

Check out S10Extremist.org , They have a lot to say about IFS and SAS. With lots of HOW TO's and amazing economic solutions, all tried and true.

Post by **HenryJ** » Sat Jul 24, 2010 4:37 pm

14x4 wrote:... a suspension lift is cheaper, but a solid front axle is more durable, right?

Maybe. I think they both come pretty close to the same price in the end if you go small and simple. Leaf springs and an axle are not all that bad if you find used. The best part is that you are going to get gears in this purchase. That will be extra for the Superlift.

One of the main reasons I want more lift is for looks...
I know you guys aren't too keen on suspension lifts but what do you think? I really really want more lift - I think about it every day - so please don't say neither.

Neither. MML and be happy.

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:38 pm

HenryJ wrote:............................Neither. MML and be happy.

I am afraid that is the bottom line and the sad truth.

A SuperLift 6" ZR2 appeared, here in town, about 10 months ago. I have seen 4 different drivers in the rig since then. I am fully aware that I live in SE KY but, those four guys could not be from the same household so, it has changed hands, at least twice.

Jongo88 · Post by **Jongo88** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:41 pm

Everyone that I have known that had an s10 with 5 and 6 inch lift sold them with in months after modding them.

Post by **HenryJ** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:53 pm

Jongo88 wrote:Everyone that I have known that had an s10 with 5 and 6 inch lift sold them with in months after modding them.

That has been the case here too. A couple kept them a year. Steve is the only one to go long term.
Paul pulled his and went SFA. Even those who went SFA have sold them pretty quickly it seems. Justin, and at least one other that I can recall.

The body lifted and MML trucks seem to be held for about the longest, well besides the stock unaltered trucks.

14x4 · Post by **14x4** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:55 pm

I knew you guys wouldn't want me to do it.

Well, at least you're lookin' out for me. I guess I will stick to performance modifications for now. Maybe in a few years when I get a new DD, I can put a SFA on the CC. (I don't think the dream will die...)

Hell, maybe I should just start saving my money for Moab 2011?!

14x4 · Post by **14x4** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:04 pm

So what is it again, that makes people want to sell their trucks after a major lift? Ride quality? Gas mileage?

Jongo88 · Post by **Jongo88** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:20 pm

The guys I know said they where never right after the lift. Creeking moaning and groaning, Mpg, speed, things broke all the time. They just were never right. The three I have as friends wish they never did the lift.
But that is just the 7 or 8 people that I know.

14x4 · Post by **14x4** » Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:25 pm

I see. That's a shame.

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:29 am

Let me throw this out here rather than starting another thread. I was probably active in a bunch of S-10 forums and came and went with them as the interest rose and fell. Yes, it always rose after it fell.

One of the forums was S-10Planet.com. I recently ran into the owner, who joined my local off road club. At one time he was all about slammed dimes and I know diddly about wet or dry NOS and all of what they do nor do I desire to learn. I know his rigs were desirable with that crowd and that is about it.

He was a newbie to our club. He wheels a '92 Toy Land Cruiser on 36" swampers and has a ball. It is a rig similar to HJ's friend, Jack, that owns 4wdTrips.com (or something close to that) that I met in Moab.

It's about keeping an open mind and to recognize a vehicle's limitations. You can spend to much money to make our CCs completely capable for complete moderate off roading and by then it will have morphed into a trailer queen unsuitable to drive to trail heads.
1000 miles away.

I know that I am rambling here and have even slept since I began this response. The bottom line is to recognize what you want to do with your cc in the long haul. Our club newbie still hosts S-10 planet and is still active with his "dime" but, went another route when he wanted to off road.

Quickbiker, aka Paul, once wrote that you will never capture a photo of a jeep being pulled out of a jam by anything other than a jeep. That was because my wife, at the time, failed to get a photo of me janking a heep out of a mud hole. Well, I don't mind posting a pic of the newbie's Toy helping me out of a jam this past weekend. While he didn't actually pull me out, his monster served as an anchor point that I could winch to.

border man · Post by **border man** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:37 am

Holy crap, what's up with the front/right wheel?? Angle just doesn't look right

Broken axle?

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 3:48 pm

border man wrote:Holy crap, what's up with the front/right wheel?? Angle just doesn't look right Broken axle?

It's just the angle of the pic, I guess, Bro. It's got a lot of flex. More flex than the pictures below. I get more flex now since I got rid of those POS Rubicon Express control arms and upgraded to Currie Enterprise's CA with johnny joints on each end. Plus remember, that our CCs greatly flex when the front sway bar is discoed. Heeps just flex more when discoed and you just need to set up the right bump stops to keep the tires out of the sheet metal.

You just have to remember when or what makes the suspension "unload" or you'll go over and end up with a flopped rig.

MinnesotaMudder · Post by **MinnesotaMudder** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:59 am

I have had my CC with a 6'' superlift for 2 years, the only problem's that i've had was that the front drive shaft broke twice. now i am getting a new modified front drive shaft to fix the problem. Also a wierd squealing noise before everytime it shifts gears. I'm still trying to figure that mystery out. my gas milage is around 13-15 in town and 17-20 on highway i don't think it to bad.

14x4 · Post by **14x4** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:25 pm

MinnesotaMudder wrote:my gas milage is around 13-15 in town and 17-20 on highway i don't think it to bad.

Is that with or without increased MPG mods like a programmer, e-fan, gears, etc.?

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:36 pm

MinnesotaMudder wrote:...my gas milage is around 13-15 in town and 17-20 on highway i don't think it to bad.

Not bad at all. Sorry to be a skeptic, but check your speedometer. That is better than the window sticker for mileage on the up side. 13 to 17 mpg is believable and pretty typical too.

MinnesotaMudder · Post by **MinnesotaMudder** » Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:28 pm

My speedometer is only running 2 mph slower with the lift. there were no mods made to my truck to help with the mpg the only thing i did was change the sparkplugs. Also just a WARNING to all the people that think about getting the 6'' superlift exspect to get your front drive shaft extended.

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