Skidz Cut-out Flares

Post by **HenryJ** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:15 pm

New page added to the modifications page Skidz Cut-out Flares.

This may be a bit premature as I was not quite ready to reveal some of my plans.
For those who are interested the install that I did was fairly painless with only minor blood letting.
This is indeed part of my "plans".

The flares are comparable to Bushwackers material in thickness. The surface is rough. I don't see painting an option, since by the time they were sanded there would not be much material left and the surface itself does not lend itself to being painted easily.

The work involved in fitting and installing these is very comparable to the modifications required for adapting Bushwacker extend-a-fender flares. The benefit here is that you finish with a wheel well that is larger, rather than smaller.

They take quite a little bit of work to make them fit properly. The overall appearance is a little wavy, but the rough surface tends to hide that somewhat. The appearance is "bulbous" if that is even a word

That is my impression

They are smaller overall than the Bushwackers, yet the rear flares seem to stick out more.

The rears fit pretty well after filing to fit, and heating the lower portion to fit the bottom of the fenders. A little extra material would have been nice, but it works.
The fronts are very tight and you really have to watch how you mount them as to not expose too much of the body line. My apologies to AZS10Crew, Mark these were indeed very tight and angles are deceiving. Yours do look fine. Sorry if I offended. Peace.

The directions that came with mine were adequate, however confusing, I tossed them aside since I am a visual person and the photos were inadvertently not sent.

Templates are a must! You can make your own, or contact me. Send me a SASE and I'll give you a copy of the templates for marking the cuts that I made.

The edging is an issue that I have not yet resolved. I did not use the supplied edging, as I have dealt with that stuff before

It never cures and the glue tends to "drip" in the heat. I also believe that it may be a little small to stay put adequately, by itself.

As you can see there are some issues to be resolved.

Now should you buy a set today? Heck ya!

These things open up the well to what it should have been!

The issue of not being able to find a replacement should Justin disappear is nothing to worry about. He assures me that half a dozen sets will be available at any given time, and heck the way that I made the cuts you could take all four off , bedliner the bodyline down and have a very nice looking truck. Or install Bushwackers with a little more modding.
I am not one bit worried now.

This is THE thing to do for bigger tires. Easy as cake. Done in the gravel of my driveway.

Let the questions begin

bubaloo1983 · Post by **bubaloo1983** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:29 pm

hes the man

im excited about " the plans" man you really know how to get guys going ummmmmm

and you have pm

AZS10Crew · Post by **AZS10Crew** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:42 pm

You did exactly what I would have wanted to do with the fronts had I the time, patience and skill. Good write-up and pics!

And no worries about your previous fit comments in the other thread. I knew once I got your PM that you were probably going to get a set and you would see for yourself.

I know what you mean about "bulbuous" looking. As soon as mine were on I thought "I need much bigger tires now." Fortunately (or unfortunately) I found a customer of my store that has done a few SFA jobs to IFS trucks. Now all I need is some money.

And one more thing...you can paint that plastic no problem...if you have the PPG One Choice plastic prep system. [/product plug off] An added benefit of working at an automotive paint store.

Post by **HenryJ** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:30 am

AZS10Crew wrote:...you can paint that plastic no problem...if you have the PPG One Choice plastic prep system. [/product plug off] An added benefit of working at an automotive paint store.

Good to know, thanks.
I have been out of the painting long enough that the technology has gone way past my expertise I am sure.
I was concerned with fisheye since there are so many small areas to trap contaminants, and no way to properly prepare them for good adhesion.

If someone wants to paint them body color we will start a thread and you can fill us in on the specifics

Post by **HenryJ** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:34 pm

AZS10Crew wrote:... Good write-up and pics!

Anybody see anything in there that needs to be a little clearer?

Let's hear the critique, I'm open to making changes if need be.

bubaloo1983 · Post by **bubaloo1983** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:10 pm

I think its perfect as those pics where it has the red lines show really clear what is removed so right there you know what you are getting into which is good. where as the auto cad pictures i send only gives you a small idea of what happends.

Well done!

teresav · Post by **teresav** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:53 pm

Very nice instructions. Glad you came up with them before I had mine installed. How can you make your own "templates"?

Post by **HenryJ** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:34 pm

teresav wrote:Very nice instructions. Glad you came up with them before I had mine installed. How can you make your own "templates"?

By holding up the flare to the fender and using the measurements provided to draw the line needed.

Or, PM me

killian96ss · Post by **killian96ss** » Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:19 pm

Brule, do you think these flares will allow enough room to mount 32x11.5/15's with only a 2" BL and 1" T-bar crank? If so this might be the route I would take. I really want to run 32's & 4.10 gears with my current set up.

Steve

quickbiker · Post by **quickbiker** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:11 am

Nice job Henry!

Post by **HenryJ** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:13 am

teresav wrote:Very nice instructions. Glad you came up with them before I had mine installed.

Be sure to fill us in on how your install goes! I'd love to hear a professionals opinion on the install directions. They may have a better idea.

I tried to do my install in a fashion that anyone could do. I even opted to do it in a gravel driveway so that conditions would be less than perfect.
The plan was no welding, since most of you don't have welders available. This is the best that I could do. I think it works out pretty well.
If you wanted the fenders back to stock , most of the material is still there and could be rewelded. If you wanted to go without flares, the cuts could be filled, painted, and look just fine.

killian96ss wrote:Brule, do you think these flares will allow enough room to mount 32x11.5/15's with only a 2" BL and 1" T-bar crank?

I don't know for sure yet. I have 3.5" clearance running the 31x10.5-15's. It might be possible. These measure 30.7". If you are talking about a tire 1/2" wider and 1/2" taller per side. It just might work.

I am going to try some different combinations as soon as I can.

The biggest problem now will be that the frame is going to get rubbed. It looks to be the next closest interference problem. I have 1.25" spacers and clear OK, but larger tires may pose a new rubbing risk.

I really don't see any bigger cuts being an advantage without modifying the cab. These line up pretty well with the lower cab mount and the inner portion of the cab behind the inner fenderwell.

I'll keep you updated on my findings as resources become available.

jeff024 · Post by **jeff024** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 11:35 am

may fit 32s on aftermarket wheels with 3-4in backspacing

bubaloo1983 · Post by **bubaloo1983** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:05 pm

i think it can be done

anyone want to try hehe

jeggers · Post by **jeggers** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 5:51 am

with a tb crank and bl (before the sl) i test fited my 32s and with some trimming they would of fit.

400 for cut outs or 1600 for sl ouch.

bubaloo1983 · Post by **bubaloo1983** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:28 pm

i would like to see someone run 32s with these and a bod lift

RocK · Post by **RocK** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:34 pm

plans for a 32" tire i have the bl and have to find time to install but my bud just brough a lift for his garage

I am also thinking about fabbing my own lift kit for the crew. no cutting just welding. 5 inch diff drop. Tough part for me is the cv angles. and relocation of the control arms. I would have to fab a new bracket on both sides. And add dual shocks while i am at it. But i am gonna rotate the diff so that the front driveshaft sits at a good angle instead of a binding one.

Man i need somebody with a SL to come and visit me so i can get some specs.

I wonder if i could fab a hummer's spindles onto the crew. They have a gearbox in them to drop the wheels down like 8 inches.

bubaloo1983 · Post by **bubaloo1983** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:57 pm

anything can be made to work

lol. just would take a long time!

let us know how you make out as it would look sick

RocK · Post by **RocK** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:54 pm

i would have to go irs too and the brakes are relocated to just outside the diffs on the humvee

gotta make a couple calls back down to hood....free parts.....
lol

good thing i could walk to work. iffin i werent so lazy.

bubaloo1983 · Post by **bubaloo1983** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:26 pm

lol seem slike alot of work but man would that ever be cool

teresav · Post by **teresav** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:53 am

Wanted to show off my flares http://tv8.photosite.com/. A lot of trimming had to be done to make them fit properly. You were right about the trim I ordered Brule, not quite the right stuff. I probably will get some of the stuff you recommended. The trim on mine has been painted with some sort of flexible paint (maybe AZ can elaborate more on that) and I never did have it glued or taped on, so it will be easy to replace. We did not cut off any fender brackets that were stated in the instruction. I'm happy with the outcome and love the way they make the truck look!

Post by **HenryJ** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 11:30 am

teresav wrote:Wanted to show off my flares...We did not cut off any fender brackets that were stated in the instruction...

Whoa! Paint matched too! Nice

Looks good!

Are you refering to these instructions- Skidz Cut-out Flares or the set that came with them?

jeff024 · Post by **jeff024** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:29 pm

teresav looks good but it looks like you need some spacers in the rear

Post by **HenryJ** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 1:43 pm

jeff024 wrote:...it looks like you need some spacers in the rear

I don't think there is going to be a "fix" for that.
The rear flares need to be close to the same width as the front flares to retain some continuity and look somewhat correct. However the rear fenders on the "Isuzu" bed flare out as we well know. This creates a problem. The rear tires look like they are four inches narrower than the front.
The track on mine is close to the same since I am running 2" spacers in the rear.
Perhaps choosing 2.5" rear spacers would help? I doubt it would be enough though.
Most angles do not highlight the difference. Overall they look pretty good.

I'm not sure that adding enough spacer to make it "look" correct is the answer. The tire still needs to be able to travel up into the wheel well. Mine do fine with 2" spacers, but i really can't say how much wider will still work.

teresav · Post by **teresav** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:14 pm

I agree Jeff and I have some 1.25" spacers to put on, just haven't gotten to it yet.

jeff024 · Post by **jeff024** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:34 pm

Post by **Walt** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:19 am

HenryJ wrote:
jeff024 wrote:...it looks like you need some spacers in the rear
I don't think there is going to be a "fix" for that.
The rear flares need to be close to the same width as the front flares to retain some continuity and look somewhat correct. However the rear fenders on the "Isuzu" bed flare out as we well know. This creates a problem. The rear tires look like they are four inches narrower than the front.
The track on mine is close to the same since I am running 2" spacers in the rear.
Perhaps choosing 2.5" rear spacers would help? I doubt it would be enough though.
Most angles do not highlight the difference. Overall they look pretty good.

I'm not sure that adding enough spacer to make it "look" correct is the answer. The tire still needs to be able to travel up into the wheel well. Mine do fine with 2" spacers, but i really can't say how much wider will still work.

3" spacers coming for the back here, and 2" in the front. I'll post pics when I get everything done.

Post by **HenryJ** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 8:20 am

wamason wrote:...3" spacers coming for the back here, and 2" in the front. I'll post pics when I get everything done.

For the "look" those front spacers may be a bit much? I really don't know. 3/4" wider is not going to be huge.

If they clear the front fenders OK, they will probably not rub the frame.

If you are going to run 31's there should be no problems. I wonder if the 33's would clear though?

Can't wait to see some pictures

Post by **Walt** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 9:36 am

I want my wheels to line up with the flares as much as possible, and maybe even extend out a bit. I should be getting my 3" spacers soon and I'll post pics.

Eventually, when I see how the spacers fit with the flares and all, if I have room I might go with 32's...hopefully.

bubaloo1983 · Post by **bubaloo1983** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:34 pm

whoa the first painted set and they look good

truck looks beefed

i agree with the guys spacers are a good step

Steve2003 · Post by **Steve2003** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:28 am

I got my flares today!

They look great Justin

jeggers · Post by **jeggers** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:34 am

steve u r mod crazy man

r u going with bigger tires

jeff024 · Post by **jeff024** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:11 am

your next jeggers

jeggers · Post by **jeggers** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:19 am

35" tires

bubaloo1983 · Post by **bubaloo1983** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:03 pm

thanks steve, let us know how the install goes

jeff024 · Post by **jeff024** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:41 pm

35" tires on the ifs = front end problems right bubaloo

Steve2003 · Post by **Steve2003** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 7:08 pm

jeggers wrote: r u going with bigger tires

Eventually plan on going with 33's. I don't have the bodylift so I think the 33's will fit really good with Justin's cut out flares. But that is going to be down the road a ways because I am going to have to change gears. Or I could run 35's until my front end falls apart and then go SFA.

Steve

jeggers · Post by **jeggers** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:35 am

I'd like to get the flares but my 32"s look small now, i would need 35"s to fill the wheel whells.

AZS10Crew · Post by **AZS10Crew** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:26 am

Steve2003 wrote:Or I could run 35's until my front end falls apart and then go SFA.
Steve

Post by **HenryJ** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:16 am

There are a few more here getting ready to install the flares, and some that already have.

What is needed for the install page?

Is everything clear on what to do?

A question was raised- "Can I use a dremel, jigsaw or cut-off wheel on a grinder , instead of the sawzall?" My answer was no. The front cuts are angled forward and require a 6" long blade to cut through five layers of sheetmetal. I just don't see another way.

Anyone find a better way?

Anything you would do , or did differently?

Another question- "Does Justin include the new edge trim?". I don't know, but if it is not I would suggest getting some from:
Trimco NC02-Black
Trimco® (A Division of Trim-Gard Company Limited)
472 Newbold Street
London, Ontario, Canada N6E 1K6
Tel: (519) 681-1090 or 1-800-265-6074
Fax:(519) 681-9880

info@trimco.info
sales@trimco.info

AZS10Crew · Post by **AZS10Crew** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:35 am

I used a cutoff wheel to do mine and I would say there had to be a better way to do it. It took some extra coaxing with a hammer, screwdriver, and pliers to get the front pieces off.

ludwis · Post by **ludwis** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:14 am

I wish I could ship my truck to Brule to have all the mods done (A large fee would be acceptable).

Post by **HenryJ** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:26 am

I have confidence that there are people closer to you that are in the process of becoming experts. Perhaps they may be able to help you in the near future?

Post by **Walt** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 9:17 am

Howdy Neighbors

I've made progress. The rear fenders are DONE! Used a jigsaw with a few metal cutting blades. Worked very well. Everything has been sanded and is ready for application. The front, on the other hand, will have to wait until next week for my buddy to get his sawzal back.

bubaloo1983 · Post by **bubaloo1983** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:12 am

jeff024 wrote:35" tires on the ifs = front end problems right bubaloo

sorry missed this awhile ago jeff, yes big time issues with that set up.

wam you got the flares on the rear or just the cuts? i cant wait to see

Post by **Walt** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:19 pm

Just the cuts on the rear. I've already test fitted and stuff, but I'm going to wait until I get the cuts made in the front before I put any flares on.

bubaloo1983 · Post by **bubaloo1983** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:23 pm

sounds sweet!

Post by **HenryJ** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:35 pm

wamason wrote:Just the cuts on the rear. I've already test fitted and stuff, but I'm going to wait until I get the cuts made in the front before I put any flares on.

Did you have any problems? What about finding the urethane sealer? Any tips for those getting ready to undertake this task?

Post by **Walt** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:13 pm

HenryJ wrote:
wamason wrote:Just the cuts on the rear. I've already test fitted and stuff, but I'm going to wait until I get the cuts made in the front before I put any flares on.
Did you have any problems? What about finding the urethane sealer? Any tips for those getting ready to undertake this task?

I did use the sealer. No real problems on the rear. It was really a cakewalk.....just time consuming. Just be careful in your cutting. That's about it. Now the front....well....I'm not there yet, but I'm not looking forward to it.

Post by **HenryJ** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:20 pm

What about edge trim? Did you get the new style that I used or the small "u-goo" trim?

Post by **Walt** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:42 pm

I forgot about the Trim... Is anything similar to what you used at Autozone?

Post by **HenryJ** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:11 pm

I really doubt it. A 4x4 shop , or body shop might even be a bit of a long shot.

Best bet would be to contact:

Trimco NC02-Black
Trimco® (A Division of Trim-Gard Company Limited)
472 Newbold Street
London, Ontario, Canada N6E 1K6
Tel: (519) 681-1090 or 1-800-265-6074
Fax:(519) 681-9880

info@trimco.info
sales@trimco.info

It really is a specialty item. Not likely anyone will have any around unless the do flares. You might want to contact Reed. If you combine the order you might get a quantity discount?

c schoelen · Post by **c schoelen** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:08 pm

Hey... i recently purchased some 33 X 12.50 BF Goodrich M/T tires. I also got some new rock crawler rims with 4.75 back spacing. I have a 6" Superlift on my truck. The tires fit well, but i can not turn sharp at all with out them rubbing on the fenders. Do you think it would be better for me to purchase a 2-3" body lift or to buy these skidz cut-out flares to stop the rubbing? I also have trouble hitting large bumps or dips.

Post by **HenryJ** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:16 pm

c schoelen wrote:Do you think it would be better for me to purchase a 2-3" body lift or to buy these skidz cut-out flares to stop the rubbing?

Flares.
Hands down.

The wheel openings are only 33 inches stock. Opening them up will yield much more than the 2" lift.

Welcome aboard!

jeff024 · Post by **jeff024** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:36 am

welcome to the site c schoelen

04crewvt · Post by **04crewvt** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:07 am

Hey c schoelen,
welcome to the site

Question on your interests : would that be ballon animals, fetish dolls or HE

c schoelen · Post by **c schoelen** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:02 pm

Thanks guys... i think that the flares would be better too. i liked the look of the skidz cut-out flares, but my i have to use my dads credit card to buy them and he won't send the number and stuff over email. Is there another place that is selling these that i can use paypal at or something so that i can get these. They are an awesome looking product. i would really like to get my hands on some.

SONOMA915 · Post by **SONOMA915** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:10 pm

Do an ebay search, sometimes Bubbaloo has a set on ebay. There is not one now, but I'm sure he will start a new one. Try to send him P.M. I got mine through ebay.

Post by **Walt** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:29 pm

c schoelen wrote:Is there another place that is selling these that i can use paypal at or something so that i can get these.

Justin (Bubaloo1983) is the guy that makes them and the only person/business that sells them. He might be able to arrange for payment by check or money order. He's very easy to work with

Oh, and BTW, Welcome!

gocntry · Post by **gocntry** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:07 am

c schoelen wrote:Thanks guys... i think that the flares would be better too. i liked the look of the skidz cut-out flares, but my i have to use my dads credit card to buy them and he won't send the number and stuff over email. Is there another place that is selling these that i can use paypal at or something so that i can get these. They are an awesome looking product. i would really like to get my hands on some.

Justin Will Take Paypal Payments, Just PM Him For The Specifics, That's How I Paid For Mine.

And Welcome To The Forum

c schoelen · Post by **c schoelen** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:05 pm

thanks... ill talk to him about that. i really need these flares.

SONOMA915 · Post by **SONOMA915** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:21 pm

After much nain biting, my flares have arrived. Woo-Hoo!!! Guess what I will be doing this weekend?

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:30 pm

SONOMA915 wrote:Guess what I will be doing this weekend?

Bleeding?

SONOMA915 · Post by **SONOMA915** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:41 pm

Heck Yea. My fiance is scared cuz she knows that as soon as I get a goody, I take the time to put it on right. Being picky is a good thing sometimes. Right?

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:43 pm

SONOMA915 wrote:Being picky is a good thing sometimes. Right?

Absolutely! I'm not picky...don't ask anyone who has met me though

SONOMA915 · Post by **SONOMA915** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:07 pm

Maybe its not being picky. Its just a higher quality of standards we have!!!

SONOMA915 · Post by **SONOMA915** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:55 pm

Hey HJ, I may have a few questions about the front install. I havent had any time to ponder them yet. Can I shoot you some questions?

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:56 pm

Sure, fire away.

SONOMA915 · Post by **SONOMA915** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:59 pm

Great. Thanks. I will be installing Saturday and maybe part of Sunday, depending on my pickyness. I mean my high quality standards. How are you replying back so quickly?

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:01 pm

SONOMA915 wrote: How are you replying back so quickly?

Just lucky I guess.

SONOMA915 · Post by **SONOMA915** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:05 pm

I'll give you a buzz if I get stuck along the install. Thanks to you and Bubbaloo for all the great help.

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:10 pm

I have a parade after lunch, then a banquet after that and late into the eve, but I'll check in when I can.

Post by **HenryJ** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:48 pm

HenryJ wrote:... What about finding the urethane sealer?

Some questions about the sealer came up.

This is the stuff I used:

3M Windo-Weld tm Super Fast Urethane
Part No. 0 51135-08609 (upc code is all the same numbers)
Net U.S. 10.5 fl. oz. (310 mL)

I bought it from my local NAPA. It is used to install windshields.

It will fit a standard caulking gun. You have to remove the pull tab lid from the bottom. Make sure they include the plastic applicator tip that screws onto the tube.

EDIT: I was aquainted with a Sika product that may work ok. Sika Cold Cure urethane. I am not sure , but it may require an activator to cure properly, and may be more expensive. Worth a look if you have problems locating the 3M product.

Post by **HenryJ** » Thu May 11, 2006 7:42 pm

A few pictures:

F9K9 · Post by **F9K9** » Sat May 13, 2006 8:19 am

I've redone three of my four flares and still not completely happy with my work. Everyone that has installed their flares probably already knew to fit them with the molding (not removing the tape to expose the adhesive part) on the flares. I didn't think of it until today

and it made for such an easier job and better fit after filing and or dremel tool. Anyway, I am done messing with them for now. Hopefully, I'll get use to them

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