Lift Kit ???

Pat · Post by **Pat** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:08 am

O.K. I went by the 4 Wheel Parts center in Fresno and those guys don't have a single clue on how to lift our trucks. They even slammed the TM 5". What is the major problem with lifts for our trucks is it the front suspension or the rear suspension. It seems to me for the S10 itself to have been arround as long as they have that there would be alot more stuff for them. I am asking because I tend to be very ignorant in this area, and all the searching I have done on the net has only further confused me. Since I have no idea what the difference is with our undercarridge and other S10 models I must once again beg for your knowledge in this area. Thanks Pat

a2b · Post by **a2b** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:38 am

90 percent of people are dumb....just to start things off

the s-10 is not the most popular truck to lift. thats why there is only like one lift for it. okay 2 but i dont count the other one. 4wp mainly does full size vehicles. i have had people there tell me that no one makes a grill guard for our trucks!!! can you believe that. there are many choices.

our suspension is almost the same as the ext cab. thats it. there isnt any trouble with the front or rear. any modern truck as IFS, and that is always more of pain to lift, but thats a given.

4wp's is not a custom place. and they are commercialised. so you dont have the brightest people working there. if you want a lift, find another shop that will put the TM on.

if i counted all the stupid narrowminded things that i have been told by some joe at some auto shop........you get the point

Pat · Post by **Pat** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:58 am

Yes I do understand that at most parts stores you get to talk to some minimum wage knucklehead who was shown how to use the parts catalog like 2 hours ago. I just like my truck alot and wish it was easier to find parts for it. Even finding body accesories for them is difficult and it seems that in some cases it would be easier to draw a picture and have someone fab it for you. With that said if its not a challenge its probably not worth doing to begin with!

So as far as suspension parts go many things for the EX-CAB should be close to the same?

adrenalnjunky · Post by **adrenalnjunky** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:15 pm

a2b wrote:90 percent of people are dumb....just to start things off

Man -- I work as a floor supervisor for an Internet Service Provider /Telecomm company.

I think 90% is waaaay toooo low an estimate.

AZS10Crew · Post by **AZS10Crew** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:53 pm

adrenalnjunky wrote:
a2b wrote:90 percent of people are dumb....just to start things off

Man -- I work as a floor supervisor for an Internet Service Provider /Telecomm company.

I think 90% is waaaay toooo low an estimate.

Very true...

Mike H. · Post by **Mike H.** » Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:07 pm

Pat wrote:O.K. I went by the 4 Wheel Parts center in Fresno and those guys don't have a single clue on how to lift our trucks. They even slammed the TM 5". What is the major problem with lifts for our trucks is it the front suspension or the rear suspension.

We have a 4Wheel Parts in Orlando. As far as body and suspension lifts go, they flat out told me that if the vehicle is not SPECIFICALLY listed in the accessory manufacturers literature, they will absolutely not put it on. Period. Well, our truck is not listed by Trailmaster, and so they said they will not put it on. Period.

I'm sure it is a liability thing, as most things in our society have unfortunately become.

The only tricky part is the IFS front. The rear lift options are easy: 1.5" with shackles, 2 to 2-1/2 with add-a-leaf(s), combine the two for 3.5 to 4. After that is the spring-over-axle conversion for about 5". After that, add the shackles and/or add-a-leafs for up to 9".

a2b · Post by **a2b** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 12:30 pm

yes, we all know that the TM kit isnt for our trucks. but any custom shop can put it in as easily as for the other s-10's.

and whats this about 9" of lift?

Mike H. · Post by **Mike H.** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 1:36 pm

a2b wrote:yes, we all know that the TM kit isnt for our trucks. but any custom shop can put it in as easily as for the other s-10's.

and whats this about 9" of lift?

I'm not DOING 9". I'm saying it is possible on the rear to combine the three options (shackle, add-a-leaf, and spring over axle) for a possible of 9". It might be a little crazy to it do though.

All I have on right now is the add-a-leaf, which gave me 2-3/8" additional to my sagging rear springs. It's probably right now about 1.5" over OEM new. I'm toying with the shackles. I have the Daystars here, but still in the box......

Exactly what part or piece of the TM lift supposedly gives the crew cab trouble? What makes it "not for crew cabs"?

Dragonmaster · Post by **Dragonmaster** » Sat Aug 16, 2003 9:42 pm

as far as I can tell from briefly looking at a crew compared to my extended cab the suspension components are exactly the same. Ask warnoffroad what he had to mess with to put his tm 5" on before he had the SFA.

Post by **HenryJ** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 6:42 am

Dragonmaster wrote: Ask warnoffroad what he had to mess with to put his tm 5" on before he had the SFA.

Might be better to ask "Quickbiker" about the TM 5" kit. He has "play by play" photos.

Didn't "Warnofroad" use to have the TS lift?

AZS10Crew · Post by **AZS10Crew** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:30 am

HenryJ wrote:Didn't "Warnofroad" use to have the TS lift?

Yep

a2b · Post by **a2b** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 12:23 am

all it is....the crossmember has to be modified, thats it. its the wrong length

Dragonmaster · Post by **Dragonmaster** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:56 am

a2b wrote:all it is....the crossmember has to be modified, thats it. its the wrong length

Is it just box section that needs to be welded in or is there something that would require some major fab work?

quickbiker · Post by **quickbiker** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:56 am

Hey, I'm here, just very far away with a very sucky connection, so I won't be contributing much till I get back from my trip. I am somewhere in the desert, haha. There is nothing that needs fabbed. The only reason I had to get my cross member fabbed was because of the tbar relocators. Because if you do any off-roading, the tbar drop brackets really, really suck. That is the only part of the TM kit that sucks. But check out my link, you should be able to find all my info there.

Mike H. · Post by **Mike H.** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:00 pm

quickbiker wrote:Hey, I'm here, just very far away with a very sucky connection, so I won't be contributing much till I get back from my trip. I am somewhere in the desert, haha. There is nothing that needs fabbed. The only reason I had to get my cross member fabbed was because of the tbar relocators. Because if you do any off-roading, the tbar drop brackets really, really suck. That is the only part of the TM kit that sucks. But check out my link, you should be able to find all my info there.

On your install page you don't mention having to lengthen any brake lines. Was there enough slop in them you could just relocate some brackets to take advantage of the slop?

Warnoffroad · Post by **Warnoffroad** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:11 pm

I still have ALL the lift brackets from my 5" TS lift. A few bolts are the only thing needed, but thats not a big deal, because I didnt use one bol TS gave me. I got all grade 8 bolts at ACE, mostly 3/8s and 1/2, about 100 in bolts needed. But if anyone want is I will let it go for 200 or so.

Warnoffroad · Post by **Warnoffroad** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:12 pm

Oh and I will also add the upper control arms I had cut and re welded. That cost me another 200.

Pat · Post by **Pat** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:04 pm

I just got 2 new Summit catalogs they list a Super Lift 6" lift for the S10 1983-2002 and it is marked with a "NEW" logo on it anybody know if this fits our truck?

Thats a great deal on the TM 5" let me check with my "CFO" (wife)

Post by **HenryJ** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 6:35 pm

Pat wrote:Thats a great deal on the TM 5" let me check with my "CFO" (wife)

Are you refering to the TS 5" kit that Warnoffroad has?

TM= Trail Master

TS= Truck'n Suspension

Just wanted to make sure you understand which it is.

You're right though, it is a really reasonable price.

adrenalnjunky · Post by **adrenalnjunky** » Wed Aug 20, 2003 7:35 pm

I found out info on the Superlift 6 inch kit today -- started a separate thread for it.

quickbiker · Post by **quickbiker** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 12:16 am

Mike H. wrote:
quickbiker wrote:Hey, I'm here, just very far away with a very sucky connection, so I won't be contributing much till I get back from my trip. I am somewhere in the desert, haha. There is nothing that needs fabbed. The only reason I had to get my cross member fabbed was because of the tbar relocators. Because if you do any off-roading, the tbar drop brackets really, really suck. That is the only part of the TM kit that sucks. But check out my link, you should be able to find all my info there.
On your install page you don't mention having to lengthen any brake lines. Was there enough slop in them you could just relocate some brackets to take advantage of the slop?

Yea, there is plenty of slack. The rear is easy, the front needs some bending and pulling on the lines. The kit has everything you need. A welder helps and a sawzaw of course!

Pat · Post by **Pat** » Thu Aug 21, 2003 7:38 am

HenryJ wrote:
Pat wrote:Thats a great deal on the TM 5" let me check with my "CFO" (wife)
Are you refering to the TS 5" kit that Warnoffroad has?

TM= Trail Master

TS= Truck'n Suspension

Just wanted to make sure you understand which it is.

You're right though, it is a really reasonable price.

I read that wrong TM TS

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